What’s in the border wall bill? No wall, but plenty of landmines and deceptions!


It’s absolutely amazing how AS successfully obscures the topic of a thread. Amazing. Simply amazing!


There is no surer way to weaken, subdue, demoralize and then conquer a prosperous and freedom loving people than by allowing and encouraging the poverty stricken, poorly educated, low-skilled, criminal and diseased populations of other countries to invade that country, and make the country’s existing citizens tax-slaves to support the economic needs of such invaders.


Oh lookie; all ISLAND nations…


Let’s take the low end then.

10 million x $24,721 (the average received in “gov’t benefits” per person) = 247,210,000,000

Sure, some is offset by taxes. How much do they pay in taxes?
Considering most illegals by far work under the table, own no property, and don’t file income taxes, all that’s left is sales tax. There’s no way to estimate that, unless you take a legitimate citizen who works for low wages and see what they pay in sales tax every year. I don’t have time to look that up right now, but you may. If not, I’ll look into it as time allows.


Except Singapore is right next door to Malaysia, and 1/3 of their population is Malay-Muslim.

But equally, what is your point exactly?

Immigration control is easier for island nations. Having a long border or being right next door to another, will mean permeability to your borders.

It’s a fact of life. You can’t change geography or the social dynamics it creates.


A better question is, how many are crossing our border each month!

US detained over 50,000 illegal immigrants in December

Jan 10 2019

”WASHINGTON - Illegal border crossings into the United States continued at a high pace in December, with more than 50,000 people detained for a third straight month as the number of families illegally entering surged, US Customs and Border Protection said Wednesday.”


There is no surer way to weaken, subdue, demoralize and then conquer a prosperous and freedom loving people than by allowing and encouraging the poverty stricken, poorly educated, low-skilled, criminal and diseased populations of other countries to invade that country, and make the country’s existing citizens tax-slaves to support the economic needs of such invaders.


BS, AS. Australia doesn’t ALLOW people who might be a danger to their country or who they know will immediately go on their dole to immigrate. They put them on some island in the S. Pacific and ask the U.S. to take care of them.


The true migrants, or the two-thirds who live here on a more permanent basis?

The ones who live more permanently do; they don’t have a choice. A social security number is relevant for too many thing you do in our economy, working, loans, any kind of fishing or hunting license, etc.

Immigrants pay someone legal to use theirs (yeah, this is a thing), or they get an ITIN, which has become ubiquitous.

Seriously ITIN’s that should be common knowledge to anyone who claims to follow this closely.

Anyway, here’s an estimate:

They say at least half pay income taxes.


BS. No one needs a social security card to get a hunting or fishing license. That’s nonsense.


Has a freer immigration system than we do.

I can go point-by-point on this, their criteria is smaller, they have less paperwork, they take less time doing background checks.

Their system is better, no question. Their immigration rate is similar to ours circa the 1920s.

Do they look like they’re suffering? The people who haven’t experienced a recession in over a decade?


“They say?” The last refuge of liars.


You do in Washington. Pretty sure you do here in Colorado too.


Nope, they have public accounting records. We’re getting income from these accounts; so someone’s paying into them.

Unlikely it’s just 5-6 million “Good Samaritans.”




The above nonsense posted by J. Anderson, ignores the 1976 National Emergencies Act under which Congress delegated limited powers to the president in the event of a national emergency. There is no “seizing” of power.


It was 2019 when an ongoing invasion of America’s borders swelled to tens of thousands a month, not a shot was being fired to defend the borders of the United States, and America’s domestic enemies, many socialists and communists in Congress, were on the verge of success in conquering a prosperous and freedom loving people.


Look, I’m to the left of…Well, I think everyone here (though I’d call myself moderate left at best) and I agree with JA on this. I see this as a horrible precedent that will be abused by the radicals on the left and the right and I think it’s a terrible idea.

You say it can’t happen, you say AOC and her minions can’t do this, but just as populist support has allowed to Trump to do some of the crazy things he’s done, that pendulum will swing in the other direction and be used to support ideas that will set your hair on fire.

For example, I’ve been saying for years that the Right better own gun “control” or the Left will eventually get enough popular support and take it over. You say it can’t happen, you say it’s different because it’s a Constitutional right, but last time I checked they don’t teach civics to kids in most schools anymore. When children shoot other children, or teens killing kids in a massacre. Emotion is destined to take over this problem and no one that cares for reason is going to be happy with the results, including me.

Your stance is part of the problem, not the solution.


I have no idea what the point of your post is. What, exactly, is it that you object to?


[B]order patrol agents apprehended more than 100,000 people trying to enter the country illegally in just October and November of last year. LINK


What “crazy things” do you think President Trump has done, CSB? So far, he’s improved the financial lots of women, blacks, browns and Asians, signed reform of our penal system to give convicts second chances at turning their lives around, kept ALL of his campaign promises so far and virtually ended the Korean War, defeated ISIS and reduced our military footprint in Iraq, Syria and Afghanistan, re-negotiated trade agreements with the EU, including Germany and the UK, with Mexico and Canada and started the process of sealing or southern border. What is “crazy” about ANY of those things?


By the way, for those saying the President cannot use money already appropriated by Congress, see: 10 U.S. Code 2808 and 33 U.S. Code 2293


The Bernie Sanders and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez’s socialism will promise food on the table, free public housing, health care for all, guaranteed income, free college tuition, and other niceties by taxing the so called rich; and if by chance their socialist leadership gains control because of such promises made, the end result, as John Adams stated, “will be revengeful, bloody, and cruel” especially for the most productive, hardworking members of the community.


Yeah, 'cause walls don’t work; must be why prisons are worthless…

As I’ve pointed out (not sure if it was in this thread or not), it’s no precedent; Presidents have been doing this for over forty years, and J.Anderson’s (deleted by the mods for rules violations) tirade to the contrary not withstanding, a great many of them (particularly from Obama) were for things that had little to do with our national interest at all, let alone for our national security (a lot of Obama’s had to do with medical crisis in other nations).

And as long as we’re on the subject of precedent, when did the left wait for the right to set the “precedent” for judicial and other activism? For that matter, in NY, Cuomo rammed through a radical abortion bill not because the majority of New Yorkers wanted it, but because he had the legislative power. My observation is that the left doesn’t wait for the right to “set the precedent;” they do it themselves in the most radical of ways (how else explain the judicial activism to overturn California’s (a liberal state if ever there was one) Prop 8 to enable homosexual “marriage?”).

They’ve already been doing that for decades.


Do walls stop gun running to Mexico? Pretty sure you agree they don’t.

Sorry FC, but efficacy is your downfall here.

You know this kind of lawmaking doesn’t work for guns, yet you don’t apply it to immigrants because you just feel differently about the subject matter.

Which isn’t rational, it’s emotional. The facts on the ground don’t change.