What’s in the border wall bill? No wall, but plenty of landmines and deceptions!


American citizens who are suffering the devastating social and financial impact of illegal border crossings don’t give two twits whether it is cyclical or linear.


It was February of 2019 when an ongoing invasion of America’s borders swelled to tens of thousands a month, not a shot was fired to defend the borders of the United States, and America’s domestic enemies, some socialists, communists and anarchists in Congress, pushed forward with their attempt to continue the invasion in hopes of conquering a prosperous and freedom loving people.


It’s a GOOD thing when Americans are financially devastated to benefit illegals. Just ask Slim, he’ll tell ya aaaall about it


The most interesting part of your graph is the gray line (FY17) which begins to drop on election day and is in free fall by inauguration day. That’s when every potential illegal in the universe knew that a wall and strict enforcement were all but a done deal. By late-spring/early-summer the depth of the opposition to the President’s policies was becoming apparent. That’s about a 75% drop. There is no reason to think that an actual wall won’t be at least that effective.


I think they would care to find out that we’ve decreased illegal immigration by 90% since FY 2000.

It’s cyclical, and the trend is downward. Lower highs and lower lows.

They would also care that most of the people arriving aren’t single males; they’re families.

Families are the single #1 reason we’ve seen the spikes in October, November and last month.

"There were nearly 17,000 family member apprehensions in September, more than 23,000 in October, about 25,000 in November and a record of more than 27,000 in December.

Family member apprehensions in December made up more than half (54%) of total southwest border apprehensions that month, the fourth consecutive high since September (40%)."

Border Patrol agents apprehended 66,450 people at the Southwest border in February, mostly families and children from Central America who sought out agents after crossing the border and requested asylum, CBP officials said. Another 10,000 people, labeled as inadmissible by the government, presented themselves at ports of entry without proper entry documents.

During fiscal year 2018, 1,032 families were apprehended at San Diego’s border. That figure rose sharply to 8,217 so far in fiscal year 2019, an increase of nearly 700 percent. Most families also came from Guatemala and Honduras.


So you don’t know how to not be emotional when discussing this?

Ever consider that’s why you miss things? If you’re in an emotional state, you’re only going to look for information that confirms it. You’re also going to be highly reactive to someone with the contrary viewpoint.


Could be, but let’s put the total decrease in perspective:


We’re at “drop in the bucket” levels for illegal immigration right now. When were this low, whole sorts of things can cause fluctuations.


This is BS, AS and you KNOW IT. Quit trying to sell your idiotic “open borders” meme here. At the current rate, we’ll see as many illegal crossing this year as we did at the PEAK of Mexican illegals…and those are only the one’s we CATCH…roughly 55% of the total. This is an illegal INVASION of our country–pure and simple–and ANYONE who denies it or works to prevent our doing something about it is an ENEMY of the American people.


Calm yourself Dave, go look at my sources for yourself:


Once you have, feel free to point out what I’ve overlooked.

The CBP is a frequent citation, so I can only be making things up if they are.

I think you’ll admit that this is an exaggeration Dave. You’re honest enough to see the problem.

Not only did Mexicans have the advantage of being next door to us, the Mexican population is far > that of the Latin Triangle. Alot more.


Are you REALLY this obtuse, AS? What you’re calling “migrant families” are any people who show up at the border with a child in tow. Sorry, but that’s NOT a “family.” Would that we could test DNA like they do on the various CSI shows on TV. In an hour, we’d be able to establish parenthood and save a LOT of these kids from being exploited–which we KNOW is being done.


How is it emotional to point out exactly what you have repeatedly claimed? To wit, that having American workers displaced by ‘cheaper’ foreign workers results in greater prosperity and benefits everyone.

What did I ‘miss’ in that?


You think of ways to blow smoke.

See: DHS Defends Emergency Declaration: Agents Expect to Encounter ‘Close to 1 Million Illegal Aliens’ at Border in 2019

“Make no mistake, this chain of human misery is getting worse. Yesterday, we announced that the numbers of apprehension at our southern border have spiked again substantially,” Nielsen said. “Since late last year, we have been seeing 50,000 to 60,000 migrants arrive at our southern border each month. But in February, we saw a 30 percent jump over the previous month, with agents apprehending or encountering nearly 75,000 aliens. This is an 80 percent increase over the same time last year.”

Nielsen, citing forecasts from Customs and Border Protection, noted more migrants are expected at the southern border as the weather warms up, which “will overwhelm the system entirely.”

Make no mistake. There is a very real war taking place on American soil and it is being won by socialists and communists in Congress, who have successfully obstructed the American People from securing the border of their country.


There is no surer way to weaken, subdue, demoralize and then conquer a prosperous and freedom loving people than by allowing and encouraging the poverty stricken, poorly educated, low-skilled, criminal and diseased populations of other countries to invade that country, and make the country’s existing citizens tax-slaves to support the economic needs of said invaders.


The devastating social and economic impact of illegal immigration

Let us take a look at the destructive social and economic consequences in just one county in California inflicted upon its citizens in 1995 when this massive invasion of our borders began to accelerate. CLICK HERE and scroll to page 93 for testimony given by JOAN ZINSER before the COMMITTEE ON THE JUDICIARY, U.S. HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES, DECEMBER 13, 1995

Good morning Chairman Smith and other honorable members of the Subcommittee on Immigration and Claims. I am Joan Zinser, Deputy Director of the San Diego County Department of Social Services. I direct the department’s Income Maintenance Bureau, which has responsibility for AFDC, Food Stamps and Medicaid eligibility determinations. I am here today to tell you about the effects of illegal immigration on the County’s assistance programs, and to present information regarding impacts on other county-funded services.

Impacts on San Diego County

In 1993, illegal aliens in San Diego County were estimated to be 7.9% of the population, or a total of almost 220,000 illegal aliens in a county with a population of slightly over 2 1/2 million. A 1993 Calffornia State Senate report estimated that the State, local governments - primarily the County - and schools incurred $304 million in costs to provide services to illegal aliens. These costs were offset by only $60 million in taxes generated by illegal aliens - leaving a net impact of $244 million.

Welfare Costs.

When a child is a US citizen, AFDC can be granted for the child but not the parent, if the parent is an undocumented immigrant. In 1992 there were 6,414 children born to undocumented immigrant parents in San Diego County hospitals. Each year, the illegal alien parents of nearly 2000 citizen children apply for and receive AFDC in San Diego County. The cumulative total of these citizen child cases continues to rise each year.

Public assistance is intended to support the citizen child, but is paid to the illegal alien parent and is, no doubt, used by the parent to support the entire family. Costs for providing AFDC to citizen children cases in San Diego totaled $37 million in 1993 for approximately 5430 AFDC cases.

Additional costs are incurred in Child Welfare Services. Combining costs for Out-of-Home and Family Maintenance services to families of illegal aliens results in an additional cost of $1.7 million.

Medicaid and Other Health-Related- Costs.

Medicaid services are an increasingly large portion of the costs involved in illegal immigration. In 1992, Medicaid paid for 6,414 births illegal alien mothers. Although studies have shown that illegal aliens use fewer Medicaid services than do the age-equivalent members of the general population, significant costs remain. Delivery costs are greater for babies with mothers lacking adequate prenatal care and many medical conditions are treated more cost-effectively in their early stages. Infectious diseases are also a major concern of the County. San Diego County has historically carried large costs because of illegal aliens with these problems. Costs associated with providing emergency and pregnancy related needs to illegal aliens are paid for under restricted Medi-Cal benefits. During the 1992 calendar year, an estimated $37 million was paid for restricted Medi-Cal benefits. Other costs, including uncompensated care in hospitals, community clinics, and other health services elevated the 1993 total costs to over $50 million.

Criminal justice.

A recent 90-day pilot project involved having INS Agents present in the county jails to interview those suspected of being an undocumented immigrant. Approximately 20% of the persons booked into the jails during that pilot were identified as being illegal aliens. With annual bookings of approximately 105,000 persons a year, it is estimated that up to 21,000 were illegal aliens.

According to the San Diego County District Attorney, 8,521 felony crimes were committed by illegal aliens between 1987 and 1992. Illegal aliens commit an estimated 22% of felony crimes committed in the county. The number of misdemeanors committed during the same period in San Diego County by illegal aliens is estimated to be 17,000. In 1993, approximately 15. 1 % of the costs -accrued in dealing with crimes were spent on illegal aliens. Costs for illegal aliens to the legal system totaled $151 million in the County of San Diego for 1993.


Recently, a video of students crossing the border and getting on a school bus in San Diego County in order to receive free education was shown nationwide. Locally, we have worked to make sure that this situation does not recur, but education of the children of illegal aliens is also a significant CDSt. It is estimated that $60 million was spent in San Diego County in 1993 for education of illegal aliens.

And, more recently see:

Illegal aliens cost California billions


”Illegal immigration costs the taxpayers of California — which has the highest number of illegal aliens nationwide — $10.5 billion a year for education, health care and incarceration, according to a study released yesterday.”

Also see: Testimony 51 Florida Hospitals in trouble due to illegal aliens expenses:

Jun 10, 2008

”No need to editorialize. Here is a sampling of the sort of facts the politicians and pro-illegal lobby want you to ignore, yet expect you to continue to bear the burden of. Is it any wonder scores of hospitals in border states and elsewhere have shut down or closed their ER units!!!”

Then take a look at Texas Faces Rising Cost For Illegal Immigrant Care

Aug 19, 2010

Texas spent at least $250 million in the past year for medical care and imprisonment of illegal immigrants and other non-citizens.

And how about this: The Fiscal Cost of Unlawful Immigrants and Amnesty to the U.S. Taxpayer

May 6, 2013

”In 2010, the average unlawful immigrant household received around $24,721 in government benefits and services while paying some $10,334 in taxes. This generated an average annual fiscal deficit (benefits received minus taxes paid) of around $14,387 per household. This cost had to be borne by U.S. taxpayers. Amnesty would provide unlawful households with access to over 80 means-tested welfare programs, Obamacare, Social Security, and Medicare. The fiscal deficit for each household would soar.”

And how about the tens of thousands of criminal aliens released into our nation’s population? See: Judicial Watch: 165,900 Criminal Aliens into US Population Through April 2014

Mar 2015

”Nearly 166,000 convicted criminal illegal aliens were released by the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) as of April, 2014. This is the analysis of 76 pages of DHS documents obtained by Judicial Watch via Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) requests. The criminal illegal aliens include rapists, murderers and kidnappers.”

There comes a time when the evidence concerning the general welfare of the United States can no longer be ignored, at least not by those who are deeply concerned about the well being of the United States.


Illegal immigration is now costing American citizens over $18 billion a year in healthcare costs alone! Far more than the measly $5.7 billion asked for to build a wall! LINK


Except I didn’t, we already went through this.

You have a habit of taking my words, and coming out with the worst possible read.

That’s indicative of reading things emotionally. You’re looking for an excuse to be outraged.


Illegal immigration, in so far as they come across the southwest border, is down 90% since FY 2000, according to CBP.

So what’s the crisis?

Or is this a delayed reaction to something from 12-19 years ago?


Sorry, AS, but that’s simply UNTRUE…in less polite terms, it’s a LIE! We’re seeing 75 THOUSAND illegals every month…and that’s just the ones that are CAUGHT. Also, it doesn’t take into account the MILLIONS who are still here after being successful in making it into the country SINCE “FY 2000,” and who disappeared into the “sanctuary cities” throughout the country and who continue to suck at the government teat.


It’s the only possible read.


It wasn’t qix. I qualify my words, case in point:

Your memory simplified what I said. It did this, I suspect, because you’re looking for an outlet. Likely over what you’ve heard on the news where someone talked with complete disregard, with no qualifiers.

You want me to be them. It would make things easier.


Condescend much? My memory remembers a lot of things you’ve posted over the years, not just whatever bullshit you’ve slung in the last 72 hours.


That’s what you do whenever you claim this. That’s why were here, talking about this.

And I have to remind; it’s not true.

What I just quoted was from last November qix. I can give you 3 other examples where I’m qualifying my words in just the same way I did there.

You’re remembering it wrong. Now that you know that, move on.


On this note, I want to apologize to @old_dog for my tone responding to him in this thread.

He was at least trying to be measured, but I responded flippantly more than once when he did nothing to deserve that.