I’m not going to try to address Alaska Slim’s wall of text by numbered lines (I’ll get to Phillip’s below), but address it I shall (for how long, unknown; I may be a lot more hardheaded than Bobjam when it comes to persisting in a debate, but I am getting tired of this merry-go-round).
It amazes me that you seem to think that rule of law must be at least partially divorced from principle. Rule of law becomes nothing more than tyranny if it is NOT guided by principle. Sacrificing principle on the alter of pragmatism does this; pragmatism is a lot more readily rationalized to whatever you want than principle.
You claim drinking got better, and you provided a link. I’ll admit I didn’t look at it, and that I don’t have links for my information. But for one thing, some of us get RELIABLE info from sources other than the internet, and that’s what I’ve done; I’ve read books and listened to discussion and news programs on the radio from sources I trust. For another, I know from your debate on ranges of combat aircraft that you cherry-pick sources. And you refused to acknowledge the MULTIPLE sources I cited to refute your argument. So pardon me (or not) if I don’t trust your info.
So universal agreement by the public is necessary for rule of law to matter? Then murder vs. porn is NOT apples and oranges, because thousands of murders happen every year- not counting abortion. Do you also regard abortion as an issue to be regulated instead of banned because of lack of concensus?
I did NOT say that “each measure of porn created is universally exploitation” (at least by the physical realm). I AM saying that it’s universally harmful. And I stand by it firmly. The world may not (or may) recognize it, but God definitely does.
No, not zealotry, although evil inspires zealotrous oppostion to it. I HAVE considered the consequences. Both ways. You’re in denial about the harm, no matter that you can find links to say otherwise (you can find a link to “prove” anything you want to; or to deny it (I repeat what I said about your penchant for cherry picking)).
1 I believe that the Bible is often translated or interpreted poorly, but I believe it is essentially true. I believe that anything written outside of the Bible that is in contradiction to it is not to be trusted.
2 This statement about Christian values being too left-liberal surprised me until I figured out (I think) The context. I submit that Catholicism does not define the whole of Christianity (I could open a BIG can of worms there); I myself am a Wesleyan-Arminian evangelical protestant (Nazarene is my particular denomination). And I agree that Pope Francis is questionable at best.
3 Essentially accurate.
4 I don’t point out any specific sources, if that’s what you mean. But as I mentioned to AS, I get a lot of my info from off the internet where I can’t link it. News features on our regional Christian radio network (Family Life Network) and Focus on the Family’s radio program provide a lot of it (websites for both often provide links to other sources when the topic or related is discussed). As indicated, I’ve also read a fair amount about a variety of sex-related issues; both psychological and socialogical.
5 I don’t have studies on hand, but if I recall correctly (I think I do), they’ve been done by people who know what they’re doing and are honest about it (sorry to be so vague; I’m going by what I remember being discussed). But I also believe (although one has to be careful about how one applies this) that some facts fit together so neatly that it would be unwise to dismiss it. I’ll admit that I don’t know how best to articulate everything I’m thinking about this issue, but I’ll at least suggest that I’m not pulling what I believe about it out of thin air.
6 Abuse and porn are two separate subjects as far as it goes, but in my porn viewing days (mercifully firmly in the past), I saw several sites that showed girls (multiple girls (different occasions) for some of them) being manipulated with lies, and/or being mistreated (verbally and physically/sexually) once they were committed or convinced (lied to) that they were committed. I call that abuse, even if it wasn’t technically (and I’m not 100% sure it wasn’t) illegal. As to porn being hurtful, I submit that anything that distracts from God’s design for sex (loving act between husband and wife) is hurtful, as is all sin.
7 Again, it’s a matter of where the info is. To be clear, I’m not so much concerned with “winning” the debate as I am encouraging you (and other readers) to research the subject yourself, and not just online. Some libraries (especially church libraries, I think) will have good books or periodical articles on the subject with source information). I do NOT recommend leftist sources for info on anything sexual.
8 The deep hurt I’m talking about is emotional/psychological. Again, I don’t have sources at my fingertips to link you to. But sex is intimate, and reaches to the very psyche of the individual. When that intimacy is cheap, it makes those exposed to it feel cheapened. And although I don’t know how to articulate it well, I submit that it’s not just fluff or junk science; it’s tangible.
9 Lung cancer and heart attacks caused or exacerbated by smoking is fully within your control; by not smoking. And I submit that the consequences of sin are far more harmful than lung cancer; an early death in this world is not to be compared with eternity in hell. Anything that encourages sin is an abomination (and is a sin itself).