And the Government MUST provide a defense sufficient to defend against all enemies foreign and domestic in order for ANY Rights to endure for ANY American.
You ignore that just as you ignore the element of a particular citizen being a Terrorist and just pretend that they are a citizen only.
If your position had merit you would be able to encompass ALL the facts that must be dealt with instead of misrepresenting the situation in order to justify your view.
McVeigh and Brown had not joined foreign based Terrorist groups that had declared war on the United States and then killed thousands of our citizens, they were American grown and based fringe movements. There was no existing military war going on against them and they were not arrested as a result of military activity in time of war.
That is a Straw Man comparison.
And I can’t believe you think a declaration of war from a foreign source and a military commitment to deal with this threat is in any way similar to a nutjob from the States who manages to blow something up.
The military do not do their job via the “legal process”, they are called to action when the threat is beyond what can be handled by local authorities. The fact that some of these Terrorist’s are citizens makes no difference, if you want to cite some examples try finding traitors during any previous war and see if the military handed them over to the police for a “trial” while the war was still going on.
You can’t find a relevant example so you bring up isolated domestic events that had no connection to any foreign groups who we were at war with.
When we are at war the military is under no obligation to do anything but kill people and break things until their orders say differently or they are defeated in battle.
No “anybody” cannot be called a “Terrorist”, only “Terrorists” are called “Terrorists”. That is why the Extreme Left had to pass this bill, if they could have found any actual evidence after a decade of looking to support your claims they would have produced it long ago in their battle to discredit the U.S. military.
I have no doubt that Ron Paul believes our military just randomly hangs the terrorist label on U.S. citizens for the fun of it or to perpetuate some political agenda but Ron Paul is a Traitor who votes to send troops into battle then condemns them and votes to cut the funding they need while they are still dodging bullets.
Not much credibility there and its looking like Rand is picking up the dung torch as Benedict Paul retires.
Defending the country is not Unconstitutional and protecting war criminals is not Patriotic to anyone but Terrorist groups.
Name one single non terrorist citizen that has been detained in this war then.
So why don’t you describe what it would look like as our military got approval for each act of national defense to insure that if any citizens were among the enemy ranks enough care would be taken to not hit them with bullets and all necessary evidence was preserved to satisfy a civil court while they are trying to destroy all the non citizen terrorists present.
I am sure you have given this much thought, maybe you can offer an analogy or comparative to the 1920’s domestic bootleg whiskey industry. That would be no more ridiculous and irrelevant than comparing Timothy McVeigh to Al Qaeda.
So what is your number of how many innocent Americans must die before your assessment of “rare” become “regular” enough to treat them as the enemy combatants they are?
That is your point right? That a citizen who joins forces with an entity that America is war with should not be treated like all enemy combatants but be dealt with like a shoplifter?
You are a spoiled child that reads history as if the filters of today’s reality have always been so.
You have never once laid your head down at night with the knowledge that superior military forces were joining together to destroy and conquer your nation. You have never breathed a single breath of air in a world where America was not at the very least a co super-power.
It is easy to sit in your spoiled chair and condemn the internment of Japanese citizens when you never awoke on a Sunday morning to hear the entire Pacific Fleet was sank and several thousand military soldiers and citizens were slaughtered just a few hours earlier.
You never had to face a war with insufficient weaponry and the relevant naval fleet to deal with the aggressor under water and full of the corpses from the crew. You never had to hear a short time later that not only is this impossible task before you but Nazi Germany has seen your weakness and declared war on you as well.
You are damn right we used “racial profiling” to minimize the domestic threat while we scrambled to build a military fast enough to put up a fight, we also took every domestic staple for the war effort and everyone just made do with whatever they could scrounge up.
You sit in the safety and security of the reality that those you CONDEMN have provided so that you never have to know a morning or a mindset like that and you condemn them from this princess seat.
FDR was RIGHT to intern the Japanese and Reagan was RIGHT to pay reparations to their families. You do what you must to preserve the Nation and you right the wrongs as best you can after the threat has been dealt with.
Then you listen to those so ungrateful for the sacrifices that EVERYONE made (not just Japanese citizens) that they sit in the safety and security of a dominant America decades later and condemn you for your efforts.
You clearly belong in the Ron Paul Camp.
Or the Twin Towers, or the Pentagon, or the Jet that went down in a field in PA.
I am “pretty sure” none of that was from a “Shoulder Fired Rocket” either, and every one of those monsters was here legally.
You want all terrorist’s captured by our military in the war who turn out to be citizens to be turned over to a civil court knowing full well that our military does not conduct a war in such a way as to gather evidence for a jury. That means they will walk and rejoin the Terrorist effort that they are committed to.
Maybe that is because we have never had our military operate as our domestic police operate in all of American history and these war time policies have always ended with the war.
You preach conspiracies while ignoring ALL the evidence through ALL America history to the contrary and you support ideas that no military could incorporate while fighting to win.
But you know that don’t you? Just like Ron Paul knows it.
There is a huge difference between “Domestic Terrorists” and “Foreign Terrorists that have declared war on the United States and are committing terrorism on Domestic Soil”
But you know that as well don’t you? You are just hoping I won’t see the obvious difference between of a war that the U.S. military is engaged in and scumbag local who builds a fertilizer bomb in a rental truck.
So much that you want our military’s hands tied so that they must release them to civil authorities knowing full well that they will return to kill more Americans and never give up any helpful intelligence in the meantime.
Yeah, sound like hate.
You care about restraining the government from defending America from enemies that have declared war on us via violent attack and you care about the Liberty of any citizens that have joined this enemies cause.
Oh that is what it takes, “competence”?
Our military is not “competent” if they do not follow domestic police procedures before they act in any way just to insure that if any citizens are among the combatants their “Rights” are protected? They should never fire a shot unless fired upon first and only having yelled FREEZE?
Apparently America has no choice but to experience the hell of what it is like to be an inferior nation under attack from a superior foe again before the last couple of generations will be able to grasp the obvious fallacy of their ideas.
Too bad we live in the Nuclear age now, that does not leave much time for “education the hard way”.
Except every single person between his “order” and the hands who carry out the actual task.
As are “Left Wing” groups, eyeballs are everywhere since 9/11.
Seems like there would be some examples by now of abuse but the last one I know of was Waco Texas and that was way before 9/11, way before before a “Patriot Act” was law or a “Dept. Of Homeland Security” existed.
Traitors are shot on site in war quite often and a “hearing” has nothing to do with whether a citizen who joins Americas enemies to kill us is guilty of Treason.
Truth does not wait for your pencil pushers and Armies do not get permission from judges before carrying out their orders. You keep using non wartime examples to justify what you want to happen during a war that our military is still fighting.
Have you seen NOTHING of our own history from every single war we have ever been engaged in?
You use apples and oranges comparisons everywhere else so I guess using other Nations as examples because your own would disprove your point should not surprise me.
Yeah, I am sure your hero Diane Feinstein is working on that right now with Rand Paul and they have an agreement that they will both support this “reform” so that Americans are not slaughtered by the bill you are praising.
Would you like to bet everything you own against everything I own that not one of these Extremist Liberal’s has had or will ever have any intention of reforming the judicial system in any substantive way?
I just wanted to quote this line by itself so that everyone could enjoy it.
You are the only one who has interjected Straw Men and Paul supporters are judged just like Paul.
On their decisions to support what they support not the excuses they offer for what they support.