Why is Jeb Bush the only GOP with courage to take on Trump?


#1

As I recall, Paul also called Trump out as a fake Conservative. Otherwise, the rest of these candidates avoid him.

Those who don’t vote for Bernie will vote for Trump in NH, that says all that need to be said.


#2

Bush and Paul are desperate bottom dwellers, they would say and try anything to try and find some traction.

The truth is if either of them or the other bottom dwellers had a believable Conservative message they would not have to try and drag anyone else down, they would be rising on the strength of their own merits.

All of the propaganda networks including FOX have given Bush many opportunities to talk to America and sell his vision, the result has been only to reveal that he has no vision; so he uses this free media access to attack others who do have a vision and have communicated it successfully.

What Jeb is doing is most certainly not “courage”.


#3

Well who will be the courageous one to take on the fake conservative?

He just called Cruz a P___Y at his rally, getting plenty of play on CNN. How is this what Republicans will vote for? The man is more closely aligned with Bernie Sanders in his economic policies, yet, he is supported by so many?

Maybe many of you are right, and the GOP is done. Regardless of ones position in the polls you have to take on this guy or he will just continue to embarrass the GOP. I wish Carson, Cruz and even Rubio would take a stronger stance against him, but everyone is afraid of his wrath.

Everyone loves Reagan, I would love to have seen him rip Trump to shreds in a debate and in the new world of social media. It just seems to me in one of the most important elections in decades, the GOP have far too many weak candidates. There is no way that this guy should be in any way shape or form the best Republican candidate. It’s funny how a guy with no chance at all in becoming president, in the form of Christie is so eager to attack Rubio, who by most polls has the best chance of winning from the GOP, including winning by a landslide the vaunted “most electable”, while Trump is near the bottom and is not attack by Christie.

I have watched this campaign with amazement and like many others some dismay. To some this is just entertainment, and the voters seem to want to simply be entertained by the most crude. This is the new definition of “anti-establishment”. Overpromise (Trump, Sanders) and turn America into some sort of economic socialist paradise. Isolationism and protectionism is NOT the American way, quite the contrary.


#4

Who is pretending that Trump, (who I assume you’re referring to) IS a conservative?

He just called Cruz a P___Y at his rally, getting plenty of play on CNN. How is this what Republicans will vote for?

And everything CNN says is gospel?

The man is more closely aligned with Bernie Sanders in his economic policies, yet, he is supported by so many?

How so? I’ve no clue what Bernie Sanders economic policies are, but I find that one a little hard to swallow.

Maybe many of you are right, and the GOP is done.

That’s what I’m hoping for, at any rate.

Regardless of ones position in the polls you have to take on this guy or he will just continue to embarrass the GOP.

The GOP deserves to be embarrassed.

I wish Carson, Cruz and even Rubio would take a stronger stance against him, but everyone is afraid of his wrath.

Give Cruz a little more credit. Sometimes ignoring someone is your better approach. Besides, if you’ve got a message that’ll sell, why mess with knocking the other guy? Let him knock his own self down, as you busy yourself with building your own self up!

Everyone loves Reagan, I would love to have seen him rip Trump to shreds in a debate and in the new world of social media. It just seems to me in one of the most important elections in decades,

I have heard that “THIS IS THE MOST IMPORTANT ELECTION OF YOUR LIFETIME!” since I started voting near 40 years ago. It’s getting old.

the GOP have far too many weak candidates.

Now there’s a shock.

There is no way that this guy should be in any way shape or form the best Republican candidate. It’s funny how a guy with no chance at all in becoming president, in the form of Christie is so eager to attack Rubio, who by most polls has the best chance of winning from the GOP, including winning by a landslide the vaunted “most electable”, while Trump is near the bottom and is not attack by Christie.

Maybe I’ve had a little too much beer tonight. I’m having a hard time making sense of someone claiming that Trump is near the bottom. Huh?
Meanwhile, Christie did an excellent job of handing Rubio his rubbish, from what I’ve heard tell.

I have watched this campaign with amazement and like many others some dismay. To some this is just entertainment, and the voters seem to want to simply be entertained by the most crude. This is the new definition of “anti-establishment”. Overpromise (Trump, Sanders) and turn America into some sort of economic socialist paradise.

Oh, it most definitely HAS been a very exciting and, yes, entertaining election season! The likes of which we haven’t seen in decades! It’s high damn TIME we got excited about an election, and I’m lovin’ a good part of it!
But where in the heck do you get the notion that Trump wants to turn the USA into “some sort of economic socialist paradise?” ??? I’m not all-in for Trump, but that’s so far from his intentions as to be off the planet.

Isolationism and protectionism is NOT the American way, quite the contrary.

Actually, isolationism and protectionism IS the American way. Have you not read our history?


#5

Why would anyone need to “take him on”?

Trump is surging because Trump is convincing voters that he will do a few things that need to be done and that he will actually do those things if wins.

To beat Trump another candidate needs to make equally or more important specific promises and convince the voters that they will actually pursue those policies if they win.

So far everyone is trying to run on their resumes combined with bringing the others down, none wants to outline a specific vision because they are ashamed of what they really want to do; the voters are not falling for the vague generalities and well funded attack ads so far this year.

Trump has many flaws but none will derail his bid as long as the others are considered wholesale liars who only want to perpetuate the Obama vision with better management, this has been the GOP reality since 2010; these candidates are fighting the GOP reputation not Donald Trump.

Yet none of them seem to know this.

Trump wants to secure the border, create incentives to repatriate resources that are overseas, fund his own campaign so he is not beholden to anyone but the voters and put pressure on trade partners who are currently getting the better of us; pretty simple message delivered by a believable candidate.

He is wrong on all of this except the border issue but it does not matter because Trump is communicating specifics and the others are trying very hard to win without committing themselves to anything specific; they deserve to lose if they are too cowardly to spell out specifics.

Even so, only Cruz has the credibility to cite specifics, and so far he has decided to run the broad, general type of campaign that has worked in other years when the GOP base is not on the brink of mutiny; he will lose if does not abandon that idea and spell some things out clearly.

They are not supporting Trump for that, they are supporting Trump in spite of that.

The voters know the others are lying whenever their lips are moving.
The voters know that the GOP despises their Base
The voters would rather have a loud mouth embarrassment that does not hate them than a well spoken liar who despises them and forgets them as soon as the votes are counted.

This is not complicated but the truth demands a decision that the Establishment GOP does not want their Base to see just yet, they think they can con their base into supporting them a little while longer as they finish transforming into a better managed version of the Democrat Party.

The GOP has embarrassed itself far more by their own actions than anything Trump could do or say, they always look for a scapegoat so blaming Trump will be in fashion for awhile but they require nothing more than a mirror to understand why nobody in their Base trusts them.

Rubio has been a Senator since the Tea Party put him in office in 2010, he has done nothing but spit on them since.
Carson has proved to be incompetent and unable to take responsibility for his own campaign and actions.
Cruz has so far refused to spell out specifics like Trump has.

None are “afraid of Trumps wrath”, all but Cruz lack credibility and Cruz lacks faith that he can deal with critics as Trump does successfully.

You think this because you are listening to media talking heads instead of the Base who is driving these numbers as to why the voters are supporting Trump.

The GOP is the entity partnering with Obama to create a Socialist Utopia, they created the environment where a Trump can be seen as a viable alternative; they refuse to accept responsibility for this and instead just keep insulting their own Base.

For genuine Conservatives to have a genuine discussion with the American people on the issues will require the eradication of the GOP, until then the dog and pony shows they insist on having instead of a legitimate Primary with legitimate debates will produce only loser Establishment candidates or a Trump.


#6

Jeb isn’t a conservative…open borders, amnesty, legalizing illegals, common core. He has never looked more weak and ineffective. Someone must have helped him be governor. And he’s got no room associating other people with eminent domain when his own family has benefitted from it.

Marco, isn’t a conservative…he is not done with amnesty. He’s just keeping his mouth shut about it. This guy is not to be trusted.

Kasich and Christie are not conservatives for obvious reasons.

Fiorina is just another slimmed down version of Hillary. She defended muslms and has ties to CAIR.

Trump is every bit as conservative as any of these guys.


#7

True. Ya know, I never thought of him as getting other people’s help to get him elected as gov. of FL, but you do make a good point. Also about him having no claim to fame where eminent domain is concerned; unless, of course, pointing out his benefiting from it.
And let’s not forget that he killed the idea of oil rigs off the west coast of FL because it’d ‘destroy the view.’

All of which is little to no matter, as he’s about in 2nd place in NH as I am to singing the National Anthem at the next Super Bowl.

Marco, isn’t a conservative…he is not done with amnesty. He’s just keeping his mouth shut about it. This guy is not to be trusted.

He’s a slimeball. I could go on, but will leave it at what you know already; a more silver-tongued guy you never met!

Kasich and Christie are not conservatives for obvious reasons.

Guy w/o guns in their wallets are useless.

Fiorina is just another slimmed down version of Hillary. She defended muslms and has ties to CAIR.

You, too??!! Glad to hear it. She IS Hillary - except with darker hair. The woman is a menace.

Trump is every bit as conservative as any of these guys.

I wouldn’t say he’s as conservative as Cruz, but the rest of 'em could take a back seat, easily.

Even though this had little to do w/the OP, it was still fun! Thanks.


#8

Just like Teddy Kennedy killed the windmills off of Cape Cod because it would “destroy the view”. I guess establishment elitist minds run in the same channels. Jeb against fossil fuels, Teddy against green energy; who’d a thunk it?


#9

And I just heard tell (checking the veracity), that it was a Trump SUPPORTER, not Trump, who called Cruz a pussy.
Sound familiar?


#10

Trump was the one who said Cruz was uncompromising and therefore could not get along with Congress, while touting his own claim of being able to work with them, sounds like Trump is the one who fears Cruz to me.


#11

Yes it was. He admonished her not to use that word again.


#12

I’d but a used car from Bernie Sanders but not Rubio.


#13

Thanks. I suppose I ought to have put the word in quotes, myself.

FWIW, I don’t consider the word “pussy” as all that bad. To me, it means a “wash-over,” a “patty cake”, a “wah-wah”. IOW, a weakling; a "puss."
Perhaps I’m being naive 'cuz there are some words that I can’t believe people use in common language - even in professional atmospheres - such as “suck” when referring to anything other than what a vacuum cleaner does. To me, that’s atrocious!

**LATE EDIT: BLESS, Old Dog, I just now saw the video. :rofl:


#14

Trump is a great guy, a lot better than that Commie weasel you guys elected. Maybe we should have a thread about that extremist idiot of a Prime Minister you have.


#15

For crying out loud, scorning an individual for a bad Canadian politician just because said individual is Canadian makes about as much sense as blaming an American for Obama just because they’re American. Which is to say, it makes no sense at all.


#16

I didn’t scorn him. I did not use one single adjective regarding the poster and I did not say one single bad thing about the poster. Did I?

I will, however, confess to being a bit weary of someone from another country constantly judging our politics and our candidates when theirs are so much worse. Sorry.


#17

Why? We judge other nations when Obama is worse.


#18

I do not go into Canadian forums and start blasting Canadian politicians. I doubt that you do either.


#19

First, U.S politics impacts Canada more than our own government. That’s just a fact sitting beside the largest economy and most influential nation in the world. Your president and what he supports will influence our government as how they govern to some extent. I recall our Conservative leader Harper speaking strongly against Russia a couple of years ago in regards to their actions in the Ukraine, Putin responded quite frankly and accurately to the effect “with all due respect, if tomorrow America takes a different position, so will Canada”. He is not being dishonest, that’s how much we rely on America for foreign affairs (and of course military defense).

Second, the American spirit, the Constitution and support for the individual is unmatched and should be supported by all walks of life from citizens anywhere in the world. If you identify yourself as a Libertarian in Canada you will be identified as some sort of security threat, we are a nation that didn’t break from the monarchy, America is about freedom, period. America is and **has to remain **the gold standard of accountability and individual rights. If America loses what is unique, the rest of the world will lose a great deal of their liberties as well, I can almost guarantee it. This is where Rubio is quite accurate, he doesn’t want America to lose what has made them unique. He doesn’t want America to be like other countries in the world, either do I and many others around the world share this opinion.

Third, you don’t need to go to a Canadian site to attack my PM you have done so here. That’s your opinion. I am going to give him the benefit of the doubt as he has just settled in, thankfully he hasn’t made any knee jerk economic decisions, so there is hope he might not overspend and borrow, he will hear from me if he does. Your government will be graciously hosting him for a March 10th dinner.

Finally, I respect your passion to wake up so early from California to post. Posting at 5:30 am local time is to be commended.


#20

Canada aside, and back to Bush/Trump.
There are many of us out here, who realize the reality of this election. Conservatism is dead. No conservative will be elected, this time. We don’t need a politician, liberal or otherwise. We need a no nonsense businessman, who is willing to say, "You guys suck at what you do."
You always hear, “It’s only business”, when people in the private sector get “punched in the teeth” by a businessman. More than anything I can think of, Washington needs to be exposed to the Sleeping American Public. They need a President who’ll call a spade, a shovel. If people get butt hurt over it, that’s life. Deal with it.
I long for the day, when we could call a stupid man, stupid, and a crazy man, crazy. The only person Bush talks straight about, is Trump, while Trump has shown that he will treat no one different. All are subject to the straight dope.