Wounded Soldier Writes Letter About Pain And Being Forced To Commit War Crimes

Wounded Soldier Writes Letter About Pain And Being Forced To Commit War Crimes In Iraq . . . Then Commits Suicide | JONATHAN TURLEY
It is really sad these soldiers find they are fighting for corporate interests rather than national security. I read more soldiers die by suicide due to guilt than die in combat. This is a sad story, but necessary to circulate and get the message out.**

Not sure what to make of the letter; not enough details. Don’t know what crimes he speaks of, unless it was the killing; that in his mind was wrong. Maybe he should have refused to kill by turning himself in to his superior. But, maybe it did not hit him until he went home, like many others; don’t know in his case. The suicide rate is high and this is perplexing considering it is much lower on previous generations of soldiers. Something else seems afoot with this generation besides a war zone of Iraq and Afghanistan. Vietnam was definitely wrong in my mind and these guys have hung in there far better than this generation; as far as I know.

You experience the horrors of war, have life or death in your hands, then are expected to come home and be just another citizen again.
I don’t know, don’t understand the suicide rate being so high. I have a theory that I’m still working on, has to do with how our children are being
wosafied. (raised to be girly boys).

I definitely wouldn’t use the term wussified for people who answered the call and put their lives on the line, especially this young man who wrote this letter. He and others have suffered horribly. The high suicide rate probably has to do with survivor’s guilt or guilt over civilian atrocities. But, for being a wuss? I don’t think so.

Those were my thoughts also, but held back. Don’t know enough about this poor lad who took his life. There are too many variables unanswered.

I do know that the educational system has changed for K-12. I also know that more and more young people are more about a good time, rather than an ethic of improving ones self when the party is over. It was the young that put a rock star over-the-top with no substance to offer while on the campaign trail in 08. Go figure that one. Could it be that the educational system was more about turning out dependency rather than critical thinkers? Granted the parents bear the lions share of responsibility, but maybe those that penetrated the minds of these young, did it ever so lightly overtime, so as not raise suspicion with the parents.

Calling returning vets from this war “wuss” is pretty much on par with calling Vietnam vets “baby killers”.

I’m sure if you all actually wanted to find out then you could probably find quite a few good theories on why more soldiers are killing themselves on return in this war than previous ones… Off the top of my head: The culture there, high operational intensity, bad economy back home when they return, perhaps we keep better track of what vets do when they return from this war compared to others. Maybe the suicide rate wasn’t really kept track of during Vietnam and after.

It’s definitely a lot better to ask why and look at reasons that are actually viable than it is to broad brush an entire generation as “wussified”.

Some reading from Psychology today:

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*Shortly after the Pentagon announced that more soldiers took their own lives last year than were killed in combat, the Veterans Administration also announced that suicide rates for military veterans are hitting record levels.

Last week, the VA announced its estimate that 22 vets a day are killing themselves, up from 18 vets a day just a couple of years before.

The good news – and the bad news – is in that word “estimate.”

The VA began focusing on suicide prevention in 2007, but only at its own hospitals and clinics. Then in 2010, VA Secretary Eric Shinseki reached out to the governors of all 50 states to request suicide data from their health departments on vets who might have been outside the VA healthcare system.

Using that data brought the suicide estimates up from 18 a day in 2007 to 22 per day in 2010. So the rise in suicides is understandable, to a point; the VA has expanded its data base.

But the bad news remains because it’s still an estimate. That figure comes with only 21 states reporting. And it doesn’t yet include data from states like California and Texas, states which have large numbers of vets living around huge military installations.

So you can expect higher … but more realistic …suicide statistics from the VA as it continues to receive data from the remaining state health departments.

But one aspect of this incomplete data is already proving out what I’ve suspected for years: that Vietnam vets are a big part of the picture. The VA said that vets who killed themselves tended to be older than non-vets. More than 69 percent of the deceased vets were 50 years or older, while only 37 percent of the non-vets were that old. Of the 60 year olds, only 8.1 percent were civilians, but 16.5 percent were vets and 19.6 percent participated in the VA system. Of the 70 year olds, only 4.6 percent were civilians, but 18.6 percent were vets and 20 percent participated in the VA system.

According to the Census Bureau in 2010, there were 7.6 million Vietnam-era (1964-1975) veterans, or about 35 percent of all living veterans. In addition, 4.5 million served during the Gulf War (representing service from Aug. 2, 1990, to present); 2.3 million in World War II (1941-1945); 2.7 million in the Korean War (1950-1953); and 5.6 million in peacetime only.*

Rest of the article: Soaring Vets’ Suicide Rates | Psychology Today

Would you like to recant your statements about this generation being the only one to have many veterans committing suicide?

[quote=“natstew, post:3, topic:40154”]
You experience the horrors of war, have life or death in your hands, then are expected to come home and be just another citizen again.
[/quote]Agree that this is an accurate summation.

[quote=“natstew, post:3, topic:40154”]
I have a theory that I’m still working on, has to do with how our children are being wosafied. (raised to be girly boys).
[/quote]While I don’t necessarily disagree that there’s a trend toward excessive PC emphasis, and perhaps even coddling, I think it’s a bit of a stretch to proclaim that VOLUNTEERS are wuss’s!

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Have you seen the anti-suicide prevention training that the DoD have been pushing as mandatory the last several years. It’s so depressing that it probably causing part of the increase.


Hardly; one refers to deliberate evil (abortion providers are baby killers), and the other refers to the preparedness for the brutal realities of warfare. Although I wouldn’t use the word “wuss” in this application, the fact is that the current generation is less prepared than ever to be men and women.

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That’s not a fact. That’s your opinion. Obviously you don’t know the definition of fact.

The fact that I found the piece, read it and put it up is reason enough. Don’t you think?

From the article about vietnam vets: “They learned to live with their pain, their disabilities, their nightmares and their flashbacks”. I still think the educational system had something to do with teaching the generation of children after these vets to rely more on the government than themselves, causing to be less prepared for life.

Phil, fwiw, I didn’t think you were calling the Vets, “Wuss’s”; only saying that they were so indoctrinated with the ‘huggy-feely’ attitude where boys aren’t allowed to sock their adversaries in the nose to such a degree that it left them ill-prepared to deal with the after affects of what they’d meet on a battle field.

IOW, they were taught that they were “bad boys” for defending themselves for so long, (and in many cases, not even allowed to defend themselves), that they’re bereft of the necessary tools to deal with having defended their own country.

We’re doing them, and our country, a horrible disservice.

(If I got that all wrong, apoligies for having misread you, and please feel free to correct.)

Our Veterans have from day one been “tossed under the bus” when they have finished with the military. What I mean by that is premised by what the VA has to do each and every fiscal year. The VA has to ask for money each year to operate, rather than receive money to meet the growing demands of the system. The VA has had to set a priority system of care and implements it if there is not enough money. The VA is forced to act mostly in a re-active rather than a pro-active mode of care; in my opinion this cost lives. Because of this many vets do not receive the care they should. I know this only too well, because I’m one of them. If the Will of the people is to take care of our Vets, then the people must get behind them and make congress fund their healthcare. Just like any other political initiative, Veteran healthcare is one of them.

Wussified by our Liberal Government schools and our PC laws. I won’t back down from that. It’s not meant as any kind of disrespect towards our
young people who are volunteering to defend our way of life, I served and three of my children have served, one son and two daughters, one
Daughter is on her third tour in Afghannistan right now.

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Who are you addressing?


Oops. My post above, (#15), was meant to be addressed to you.

Thank you for your service.
And your children, too.
You must be ever so proud of them. Kudos.

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